My 'Dark Side' Journal

[Jock]

Originally posted by Steve
top-of-the-world feeling.

I can vouch for that man I feel awesome! Thanks Jay, I just hope I can gain and keep another 15lbs!

Jock

[RANGER]

say jock, do the guys at the club know what your getting up to?? i know if i admitted to roiding up there would be a bit of controversy, i would constantly be called a juice baby, or are you just gonna tell em you been hitting the weights and calories hard when you you turn up to pre-season training 2st heavier????

[Jock]

Nah they have no idea, I will tell them something like that but people will believe what they want.

Everyone knows that roids are common in rugby, so I think most people, even if they do guess will just accept it.

Jock

[Steve]

What position do you play?

Steve

[Jock]

Scrum-Half

Jock

[Iain]

Not been around for a while but thought I would check up on how you are doing Jock. Glad you are doing good.

Don't know if this is useful but going back to the injections and skin hardening thing - with various medical conditions I have had a lot of injections and intravenous treatment over the past 7 years. Where lines have been put in and kept in for more than a few hours the skin and the vein have scarred. Every three weeks I have intravenous infusions of immunological treatment, the needle is in for 3-4 hours at a time. The veins have scarred and the skin is tougher, though not so much as to be in any way unuseable. Where I had venflon lines in for up to two weeks leaves little white scars and the skin toughens.

However, I have had a lot of blood taken from the inner elbow as well, the needle is in and out in seconds and there is no scarring and no abnormal toughness. I personally wouldn't be worried by scarring caused by the needles in the way you use them.

Hope that was in some way relevant.

[Jock]

Thanks for the input Iain, steroid injections are intra-muscular, not intravenous. Everytime I inject I pull back on the plunger to see if any blood has entered the barrell, if it does that means I have hit a vein and I need to pull the needle out and start again. It's only happened to me once and I sh*t myself, as the dangers of injecting a steroid into the bloodstream are life-threatening.

I was really concerned about injecting to begin with but in reality it is really, really simple. I don't have as much soreness around the injection site anymore because I think I don't rush as much anymore, plus I inject very slowly now.

Jock

[Steve]

Originally posted by Jock
Scrum-Half

Jock

I used to play Prop , 1 or 3, depending on the opposition.
Sometimes I moved to Lock.

Steve

[Jock]

Hehehe nice one Steve You wouldn't catch me in the front row!

Jock

[JD03]

Hey jock, I've got another quick question... why do you wait until 3 weeks after you cut the gear to start taking the clomid? Wouldnt you want your body to start producing test as fast as possible afterwards?
Thanks again,
JD

[Steve]

Originally posted by JD03
Hey jock, I've got another quick question... why do you wait until 3 weeks after you cut the gear to start taking the clomid? Wouldnt you want your body to start producing test as fast as possible afterwards?
Thanks again,
JD

Some steroids have long half lives. They stay active in the body for a while. Better to wait for the level of test to go down to start therapy.


"Question: Some say Clomid during a cycle is a waste, is this true?

Answer: Let's first examine what happens when someone is using anabaolic androgenic steroids. When the level of androgens in the body get too high, the androgen receptor becomes more highly activated, and the hypothalamus stops sending a signal to the pituitary. In short the signal tells our body to stop producing testosterone. During a cycle the body has higher levels than normal of androgens and as long as this level is high enough Clomid will not help to keep natural test production up. It will be almost all but completely shut off. The only purpose of clomid during a cycle is as an anti-estrogen.

Question: When do I start Clomid? Some say 2 weeks others 3.

Answer: When you start using your clomid all depends on what steroids you were using during your cycle. Different steroids have different half lifes and you should adjust your clomid intake accordingly. As we have seen above, if we take clomid when the androgen levels in our body is still high it will be a waste. We need to wait for androgen levels to fall before implementing our clomid therapy. However if we take it too late we could possibly lose gains. Look at the list below to determine when you should start clomid therapy. By selecting from the list all the steroids you used in your cycle and which ever one has the latest starting point then go with that. For example if I cycled dbol, sustanon and winstrol I would use sustanon as it remains active in the body for the longest period of time.

Anadrol/Anapolan: 8 - 12 hours after last administration
Deca: 3 weeks after last injection and clomid for 4 weeks
Dianabol: 4 – 8 hours after last administration
Equipoise: 17 – 21 days after last injection
Fina: 3 days after last injection
Primobolan depot: 10 – 14 days after last injection
Sustanon: 3 weeks after last injection
Testosterone Cypionate: 2 weeks after last injection
Testosterone Enanthate: 2 weeks after last injection
Testosterone Propionate: 3 days after last injection
Testosterone Suspension: 4 – 8 hours after last administration
Winstrol: 8 – 12 hours after last administration"

Steve

[Fudomyo]

Clomid won't do any good until all the gear has totally left your system. For Deca that is 3 weeks. You take deca etc every week to keep nice and stable blood levels.

$0.02

[Jock]

Steve and Fudo both spelled it out. Good job guys!

Jock

[Jock]

Bench Press
2x10 @ 110lbs
3X5 @ 154lbs

Incline DB Press
2x10 @ 27.5lbs
3x6 @ 60lbs

Incline DB Flyes
2x10 @ 27.5lbs
3x6 @ 50lbs

Skullcrushers
2x10 @ 22lbs
3x6 @ 44lbs

Seated Overhead DB Raises
3x6 @ 60lbs

Ok, 5th jab was on Sunday, can't believe how simple it has now become (don't even give it a second thought now!). My bench is the best it has ever been since my shoulder injury from last year (it may not look much but for me it is a real improvement).

The incline stuff was very easy, I gotta push the weight up some more next week, the same goes for the skullcrushers.

Starting to fill out now, I put on a t-shirt yesterday that I haven't worn for a while, it felt very tight around my back and shoulder areas. I haven't done any cardio since I've been on, but I'm gonna start asap because my waist is up to 34" which I'm not very pleased about

Post Cycle Plans

Ok I intend to cycle Clenbuterol and an ECA alongside my Clomid therapy and maybe drop my cals to around 2000. I will up the cardio and maybe throw in some HIIT (although I've heard that clen and HIIT don't really mix too well, but I'll see how it goes)

Now I really want to keep the gains that I should get, but I expect my BF% to be around 20% by then which we all know is far too high. I want to get back down to 13/14% Please feel free to comment guys.

Thanks, Jock

[Lee J B]

Clen / t3 stack will burn more fat than a stripper can get dollar bills in an hour, seriously. How you going to use the clen ? 2weeks on / 2 weeks off ? Taper dosage or just smack out all the way ?